Why to Hate Twilight: Rebuttal

To be honest, the movie Twilight didn’t really appeal to me at first, and I had not read the books. I just assumed that it would be another mindless teen pleaser movie with a lot of gore and very little plot.

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This weekend the weather was bad and there was nothing on television. Therefore, I decided to rent the only thing that I hadn’t already seen on PPV. I was astounded at how wonderful the movie was, and immediately wanted to see what my fellow Triond writers thought of Twilight. Of course, I found tons of pro Twilight articles. However, I found one article, “Why To Hate Twilight” that was written to bash the Twilight series. The author composed 95 reasons to hate Twilight, most of which I adamantly disagree with. Some of the reasons were just too nonsensical to even address. Reasons like- because it is “stupid”, “dumb , and Harry Potter could beat the main Twilight character with his magic powers, etc… wasn’t worth my time and effort. So, I just picked a few out of the article to rebut here. All of the quotes were taken from Sarah Rebeccas’ “Why To Hate Twilight” article here

“Bella is a perfect character (“Mary Sue”) that Meyer hides by calling her clumsy.”

1. Bella is not a perfect character. She comes from a broken home, hasn’t seen her father in years, and she is shy and awkward. The idea that she is a perfect character is clearly negated by the mere fact that she attempts suicide. Perfect people would never feel so unworthy of life.

“Meyer is living out her own fantasies by writing about Bella, who is clearly herself.”

2. So what? How does this make the book or movie bad. What author doesn’t put at least a little of their own ideals into their work?

“All the rules Meyer sets up for being a vampire are broken by the end of the series.

Not only that, she breaks rules set down by more advanced authors.”

3. Isn’t that kind of the point; Edward chooses Bella above everything? Myer doesn’t have to write based on a fictional set of “vampire rules” set up by other authors. Part of what makes Twilight original and intriguing is that the author doesn’t use the same old trite vampire etiquette.

“The world population will come to an end because all the girls who read this book will think they are Bella and will wait for their Edward to come until they are old. And he’ll never come.”

4. This will happen around the same time that the world population comes to an end because all the kids think that they are Hanna Montana, Harry Potter, Sleeping Beauty, Snow White, etc.. . The point of a fictional fantasy is to actually be a fictional fantasy.

“Edward is too perfect and has no flaws either. Even vampires should have flaws besides wanting to suck human blood because it’s natural to them.”

5. Edward has the largest flaw of all….he isn’t human. He is also stubborn, overprotective, and has a love for a human that defies reason. He struggles between what is his nature and his emotions.

 “The reason the books became so popular is because Bella has no personality and any loser can put themselves in her shoes.”

6. I may be off my rocker, but typically boring characters are not insanely popular. Bella is far from boring. She shows bravery, trust for Edward when others would run, loyality, etc… Now, that is what sold over 42 million copies of the Twilight series.

“Isn’t in convenient how her father always leaves her alone and doesn’t question her? Real parents aren’t that way.”

7. Many parents are absent and/or do not pay attention to what their children do. That is why there are so many alcoholic, anorexic, drug abusing, pregnant, and high school drop out teens.

“People say that Twilight is better than Harry Potter. Guess what? WRONG.”

8. People say that Harry Potter is better than Twilight, but I disagree.

Edward is extremely possessive, border-line abusive, and boring as anything.

9. Edward feels protective of Bella. In Twilight, he feels such a connection with her, that he risks his own safety and exposure to save her life. His struggle to love her without endangering her is anything but abusive and boring.

“This book contains no real sex, so it’s not really a vampire novel.”

10. I wasn’t aware that there was a rule that “real” vampire novels had to include sex. I think that Edward and Bella deciding to wait until they are married to have sex is sending a good abstinence message to all the teenagers enamored with the series.

“It’s too cliché”

11. Those who dislike the movie claim that it isn’t authentic because it doesn’t have sex scenes, doesn’t follow vampire etiquette, etc.. Yet, somehow they call it cliché in the same breath.

“Her vampires sparkle.” “Read Anne Rice, those are vampires, not the girly men that Meyer has created”

12. This as opposed to vampires who explode in the sun and shake in their fangs at garlic. Yeah…that’s real manly. By the way, Anne Rice admittedly creates homoerotic feelings in most of her characters.

“She can’t think of original names. The only original name she used was Rennesme, which is combination of two names and doesn’t count.”

13. I love Bella and Edward because they are relatable and real. They do not have to have names that need a pronunciation guide to be original and interesting.

“Vampires can’t get people pregnant.”

14. Vampires can change into bats, grow fangs, move at lightening speed, posses the strength of 100 men, etc..etc.. but Twilight couldn’t possibly have a vampire character that produces a baby. Interesting!

“Vampire baseball was just a disgrace.”

15. Again, I dispute the cliché claim with the very complaints that are used to defame Twilight. Vampire baseball is totally original to Twilight, and it is an interesting way to show a titration of human vs. inhuman vampires qualities.

“Stephanie Meyer creates some interesting characters ie: Jasper, Alice, she ignores them, and gives them no development.”

16. The series is about Bella and Edward, not Jasper and Alice. They are what you call… supporting characters. They aren’t supposed to be developed. Just like no one wanted Christian Slatters’ character developed in Interview with a Vampire.

 “Every Other Facebook bumper sticker is about Twilight/Edward. EVERY OTHER ONE.”

17. Just because something is popular doesn’t mean it needs to be hated by those that don’t get it. Twilight is popular because it is partly fantasy, but then also takes common subjects and presents them in a relatable way.  

“Much too little actual conflict in the story. But this probably stems from having flawless main character.”

18. Edward saves Bella from: being smashed by a minivan, sexually assaulted by thugs, eaten as a baseball game snack, killed by a tracker vampire, and sucks vampire poison from her wrist…..all in one book.

“They fall in love way too quickly and it seems fake because no one falls in love instantly, especially teenagers.”

19. This is a vampire novel. Those that desire to read how long a real relationship takes should read Pride and Prejudice. Anyone that wants to read a fantasy novel will enjoy reading Twilight.

 “There’s something disturbing about Carlisle only turning teenagers into vampires.”

20. The father didn’t just turn teenagers into vampires. He also turned his wife. Plus, it is no more disturbing than Ann Rice turning a little girl into a vampire.  

I could go on and on here, but it all boils down to personal taste. Some will see the dazzling plot and originality of Twilight. Others will not. I personally found it to be a breath of fresh air from the usual vampire movies. There are only so many times that one can watch the same old stereotypical vampire woo women, sleep in his coffin, and gorily go on eating frenzies. For the close minded vampire fan Twilight will be an atrocity to all things vampire. But, for those that appreciate adding new dimensions to old ideas, Twilight will be seen as a sensational piece of work.

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  1. Posted March 30, 2009 at 6:40 am

    My nephew just saw Twilight and really liked it.

  2. Posted March 30, 2009 at 6:49 am

    Great work! That was lovely and well presented..I loved it! nice pics too. Thanx for sharing

  3. Posted March 30, 2009 at 8:01 am

    I’ve not read it nor seen the film but I may just take a look – thanks for this – interesting article.

  4. Posted March 30, 2009 at 9:19 am

    I have to give you props just for having read the article you’re rebutting. I couldn’t get past the title. “Why to hate…”?
    Of course, it was atop the ‘hot content’ list at the time. too funny

  5. spunkybkworm
    Posted March 30, 2009 at 11:29 am

    Well put. Thank you. I read these as a 4th year English major and mightily enjoyed them as a reprieve from the literary criticism on Shakespeare and Tolkien that had been my diet that fall. I found the original list much more infantile than the books it appraised. oh, and i loved “titration”. :]

  6. newTwilightFan
    Posted March 30, 2009 at 12:08 pm

    Came across this article and just wanted to point out an error in your first counter-point. Bella did NOT try to commit suicide. I assume your reference the cliff-diving in New Moon, but she’s pretty adamant she was only doing it to induce the hallucinations so she could “hear” Edward again with the adrenalin rush. Crazy, probably. Suicidal, no.

    Otherwise, really enjoyed the point-counterpoint of your article. I’m a new fan to the series, and only considered reading it because I knew it didn’t follow the “normal” vampire myths. I think that’s why I enjoy it so much, it’s completely new.

  7. alexa
    Posted March 30, 2009 at 12:14 pm

    love this article i think you do the fandom justice. i cant wait for the film r
    to come out in the UK so i can buy it

  8. Posted March 30, 2009 at 1:33 pm

    The movie was not as great as I had expected eihter … nicely written !

  9. Posted March 30, 2009 at 2:29 pm

    While I may argue that Twilight was an awful book, I have to agree 100% with you. First off anyone who say you should “hate” anything is in the wrong. Though I put down the book prior to completeing the first chapter, I would NEVER tell you that you should hate it. I might debate the issue, but each person is entittled to their opinion. I got through about reason #3 on the hate list before just laughing and closing the link. If it was meant as a joke, it wasn’t that funny. If it was a “serious” review, then it was badly done.

    Enough about her article, let’s talk about yours. Sollid arguments, great defenses, with an excellent approach to your view point. Well done Jo.

  10. G
    Posted March 30, 2009 at 2:35 pm

    I agree with new Twilight Fan, she did not try to commit suicide, she did what she did for recreation, an adrenaline rush to hear Edward in her mind, but nothing else. Bella would never hurt her parents that way no matter how much she loves Edward. She’s not suicidal. Yet, thank you for defending the series. I liked them because they broke away from those normal vampire rules and because for once guy and girl don’t give in to their hormonal tendencies,screw each other leaving the girl knocked up.

  11. Posted March 30, 2009 at 3:26 pm

    http://www.socyberty.com/Advice/How-to-Read.621683

    Here is the link to my article How To Read. Thanks for reading it Jo. I read the anti-Twilight article last night. Most of the “reasons” struck me as petty. I hate it when someone tries to tell others how to feel about something anyway, but it seems that everytime kids find books they enjoy someone finds a way to ruin it for them- as if they’re saying “Yes, read books, but only the ones I tell you.”

  12. jo oliver
    Posted March 30, 2009 at 3:47 pm

    I would have really liked to get into the subject of Stephanies’ article here too, but felt the article was too long as is. So, please check her article out.

    Thank you all for the comments. I appreciate :)

  13. Posted March 30, 2009 at 5:51 pm

    Hey, Jo.

    I still find Twilight to have a juvenile feel to it, but I agree that the hate article lacked any concrete points.
    I didn’t read the books, and I have no intention of doing so, but my younger sister is really into the series, and I support her reading things that she enjoys.
    Personally, I don’t think that it matters if the books were written in good quality or bad, because the point is that thousands of people enjoy them.
    Good for them.

  14. Posted March 30, 2009 at 6:56 pm

    Excellent rebuttal, even if I haven’t seen the movie or read the book. Just from a writer’s viewpoint, your responses make the book actually seem quite interesting and well written.

  15. Posted March 30, 2009 at 7:53 pm

    Wonderful and interesting rebuttal.

  16. poetic enigma
    Posted March 30, 2009 at 9:59 pm

    Great rebuttle here, lots of depth, and insight.
    I have not read any of the series, nor have I seen the movie.
    but I never really found any interest in it, maybe I’ll have to check it out anyway.

  17. Posted March 30, 2009 at 10:29 pm

    I’ve no idea about this movie because I haven’t watched it.
    Good book review, anyway.

  18. A
    Posted March 30, 2009 at 11:10 pm

    You’re right. Let’s just concede that both viewpoints are heavily biased. Twilight, on screen and page, is not story-telling genius. Its massive following is its biggest accomplishment. That doesn’t made it bad, but it certainly doesn’t make it good.

    I, for one, am tired of hearing about it.

  19. Posted March 31, 2009 at 9:14 am

    What an insightful article. I have not watched the film in its entirety though, and am not fond of reading fantasy books. But I do want to watch it again, thanks.

  20. Posted March 31, 2009 at 8:38 pm

    My granddaughter saw Twilight but she was a bit disappointed. She liked the movie but thought the book was better. She said they made one of the guys (I don’t remember which one) too wimpy, and one of the girls too weird. And didn’t follow the version of the book.

  21. Posted March 31, 2009 at 10:13 pm

    a very well-written article, I haven’t read the book but I’ve seen the movie and I find it not so good.

  22. deehackett
    Posted March 31, 2009 at 10:46 pm

    i would like to add that teenagers do fall in love and out of love quicker than they can change their undies around here! I loved both book and movie and agree with you!

  23. Posted March 31, 2009 at 11:07 pm

    I do not like twilight, I think Stephanie Meyer is jk rowling want to be. However, I can appreciate a good review, an excellent debate and discussion, and others who enjoy reading..no matter what book or fantasy world they chose to love in the process. Thank you for your time, you brought up A LOT of good points.

  24. SeriousBlack10
    Posted April 1, 2009 at 7:55 pm

    I like Twilight, i have seen the movie and read all the books. I think the plot is great, the theme is entertaining and the Characters are well thought out and excellently utilized throughout the stories. I must say that the only problem with the movie i had was that like most books that become movies the directors change things around or make people or parts different than the books. All together i love the books and the movie.

  25. Twilight Series Fan
    Posted April 1, 2009 at 10:11 pm

    Okay, so first off, I love the book series!!! With all my heart!!
    thats why I liked the movie that’s why I bought everything about the movie and bought the movie when it came out. But as everyone has they’re own opinion. I feel that the movie has its own, personality. Its not bad but its not very good either. It could have been better, but they didn’t think it was going to be so big. So in hoping the next one is better. I’m sticking to my whole book is way better, till then. Its only because the book describes scenes, parts, faces better then the movie of course you can see it but the movie really didn’t do the book justice. Dont get me wrong the movie is good, im a die hard fan no matter what! But that’s my opinion. And I feel what I feel….

    As for all of what the lady said well pish posh!!!
    Everyone says that because they dont really understand true love or romance and or teens… We all need some type of fantasy in our lives. And SMeyer brought that to us in this tidy little series… I love her story telling and she is amazing at what she does..

    People always seem to find the bad in everything!!! I enjoyed your blog.. if you like the series please feel free to check out my whole page

    http://twilightseriesfan.com

  26. sad
    Posted April 2, 2009 at 8:38 am

    it worries me that people have fallen this far to fight over a book that shouldnt have any affect on the future i read the books and the only thing thats worse than them is your petty foolish childish arguments

  27. hfj
    Posted April 3, 2009 at 10:56 am

    Well written and researched article. I’m just not a vampire movie person is the reason i haven’t seen the movie. Well done.

  28. Harry Potter 4 Evah 111
    Posted April 4, 2009 at 1:57 am

    …. Sarah Rebecca’s reasons did make sense… :) And all the rules she made WERE broken- such as vampires are frozen when transformed- if she had followed that rule Bella would have had broken bones her entire vampire life. Vampires don’t have blood and therefore can’t impregnate ANYONE- besides, if they are frozen in state they shouldn’t be able to have babies anyway.

    And Edward doesn’t have flaws; he is musically artistic, rich, good-looking (to some; not to me though b/c I’m a guy), nice cars, strong will, good grades, etc. What you mentioned are PERSONALITY TRAITS not flaws.

    You know how dumb you look saying Twilight has sold 42 million copies? Harry Potter, which is better, has sold over 400,000,000! EVERY INDIVIDUAL HARRY POTTER BOOK HAS SOLD MORE THAN THE ENTIRE TWILIGHT SERIES COMBINED!!! That’s living proof Harry Potter is better. But you’re entitled to your opinion…

    Bella is a Mary Sue (perfect characters who don’t realize they’re perfect and are ATTENTION-SEEKING, WHINY, and SELF-CONSCIOUS.. that’s Bella if you ask me.

    But Charlie IS a caring parent so it’s out of character for him not to be so concerned with Bella’s welfare.

  29. Zeph
    Posted April 5, 2009 at 9:14 am

    Got a question: does ANYONE realise that the original article is titled “Why I Hate Twilight”? It’s not “Why to Hate Twilight”. So….yeah. The way I read it, she’s giving reasons why she hated it. She’s not really trying to force her reasonings onto other people. Although, those reasons were quite vehement, weren’t they?

    And uh….I think you just accidentally compared falling in love with a Edward with teenage pregnancy and anorexia and drug abuse. I’m pretty sure you didn’t mean to, but kinda found that funny.

  30. Zeph
    Posted April 5, 2009 at 9:27 am

    I”d like to add that the way you responded to the original post is awesome due to the lack of incoherent ranting. Kudos.

  31. Guernica322
    Posted April 5, 2009 at 12:49 pm

    the movie was horrendous. the books aren’t that bad, though i do agree with a lot of the “why i hate twilight” reasons (bella is whiny, edward is too perfect, and alice and jasper have no character development, or very little, which is sad. they’re my favorites)

    the movie…the acting was god-awful. all kristen stewart did was blink a lot. there was never any emotion in her voice either. she looked perfect for the part, but her clothes didn’t match the character in the book (she’s awkward, not a man). Edward was awkward sounding, mostly because he worked too hard to hide his accent. other characters were good, but overall it was very poorly done.

  32. TWILIGHTLOVER
    Posted April 6, 2009 at 5:28 pm

    As you can tell from my name, I think you are completely and amazingly right…

    As for the people who don’t like it, go jump in a hole.

    Thanks for sharing this!

  33. _bella_is_me
    Posted April 7, 2009 at 12:03 pm

    Thank you so much for saying everything I wanted to say in a rebuttal! It is so wonderful to hear these brilliant books being defended in such a succint and eloquent manner by an intelligent person.

    I loved the films and the books, although there were many errors in the film (am I the only one who noticed the horrendous order in which they sat in the car on the way back from the baseball game? So shocking, so sad…), and I really think that whoever says Bella is perfect and Edward is border-line abusive (at the same time stating that he is boring? Um, hello? Do you have an obsession with oxymorons or something?) should actually read the books and understand them instead of pedantically nit-picking like a spoilt child.

    And oh yeah, you cannot compare Harry Potter and Twilight because although they are both brilliant and the joint best books yet written in our Universe, they are from completely different genres! It’s like comparing a dog and a bottle of elderflower cordial.

    I think people should realise that Twilight is amazing, stunning and generally awesome – especially Edward – and give it the praise (and fanfiction) it deserves.

    Thanks. And Jo Oliver, if you haven’t read the books, what are you waiting for? The second coming?

  34. Iris
    Posted April 7, 2009 at 4:49 pm

    I don’t really agree. I mean, besides all those reasons, the plots carry on a lot. And just about every single book involves everyone trying to protect Bella.
    The only given reason that Edward fell in love with Bella is that she smells nice. The character’s aren’t very well developed either.
    There’s no real action in it. All the fighting is done behind the scenes. There’s no mystery or suspense, and the whole thing revolves around Bella and Edward.
    And another thing. Nice Vampires are boring. Evil Vampires are cool

  35. strbrz
    Posted April 7, 2009 at 11:06 pm

    I’m assuming from your rebuttal you’ve read Anne Rice novels? An author who probably based her books off of old vampire myths that were around for centuries? Rather than just saying ’screw it, I’m going to randomly make my vampires sparkle!’

  36. strbrz
    Posted April 7, 2009 at 11:07 pm

    and you still prefer twilight?

  37. Diana
    Posted April 8, 2009 at 4:57 pm

    #36 you’re right.. xD

    about the sex abst. you said it was a good message well stalking, (excesive)following, overprotecting and emotional abuse -plus- LIKING it is?

    And you don’t believe Bella Swan is a Mary Sue?
    http://haydenchristensenfan.deviantart.com/art/Bella-a-Mary-Sue-The-test-113185501

    you still think so?

  38. Brooke
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 9:56 pm

    I like Harry Potter and Twilight, though I can relate more with Twilight considering I feel for my boyfriend the way the characters do for each other.
    The Harry Potter series ended after the characters reached high school age. Twilight passes that.
    As for teenagers not falling in love that fast…have you ever been a teenager?!?! And didn’t Harry fall in love for that dark-haired girl?(been so long I can’t recall her name)
    Both these series are great in their own rights. I am excited to see the Harry Potter movie that’s coming out soon and I can hardly wait till New Moon comes out.
    Last thing, let people read/watch what they want. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. And this has been mine, even if it’s badly written, thanks for reading. :)

  39. Posted April 13, 2009 at 1:57 am

    Twilight manages to be a great new twist of vamps, I think. Not for everyone, perhaps, but certainly a new and interesting spin for those who are open-minded enough to let go of their fears of a gory teeny-bopper movie, or evolution of the genre.

  40. stephencardiff
    Posted April 14, 2009 at 8:48 pm

    I havent seen the film but this is a great write looks like you caused a bit of a stir… great work thats what it is all about

  41. Posted April 16, 2009 at 11:45 am

    Hoorah!! Well written Jo. First of all I was completely unaware of Twilight until last weekend. My friend persuaded me to watch it and I was blown away. Not only did I fall in love with Edward Cullen but I got totally absorbed by the intensity AND tenderness of this film.

    I can’t wait to read the books.

    Jo, you have rebutted brilliantly and even if I hadn’t have liked the film, I would agree with every reply you have made in response to Sarah Rebecca.

    I also think there is no comparison to Harry Potter which in my opinion is aimed at a slighter younger audience? Harry Potter is a wizard …. Edward Cullen is a vampire. Harry Potter is a fantasy type story and I felt that Twilight is more of a love story.

  42. Posted April 16, 2009 at 12:17 pm

    Hi Jo Oliver! Nice rebuttal…lol

    Your points are well laid out. Good job writing this article.

    Meanwhile, for people who haven’t read my criticism of the Twilight movie, read it at:

    http://www.cinemaroll.com/Horror/10-Most-Critically-Acclaimed-Twilight-Criticisms.646389

    It’s a twilight haters deluxe..lol

    and a twilight lover’s nightmare.

    hahaha..just kidding

  43. AntiBunny
    Posted April 17, 2009 at 12:57 pm

    So… what’s your rebuttal for #61-64?

  44. Posted April 18, 2009 at 10:39 pm

    wow i totally agree!

  45. Stacey
    Posted April 22, 2009 at 2:28 am

    I read the first twilight book and found it not exceptional in any way. However I read this persons hate article and mostly just laughed at it.

    Having not really thought Harry Potter was that great either I can’t really say which one was better.

    My problem with the series is that I find the main characters to be slightly annoying in themselves.

    But I wouldn’t stop anyone from reading it.

  46. Posted April 23, 2009 at 10:36 am

    Good article – I liked Twilight a lot. I thought the writing was kind of mediocre, but the story was great! Additionally, I’m in love with Edward, but no one in their right mind would ‘wait for him to come.’ Obviously whoever wrote the first review has a lot of trouble separating real life from fantasy.

  47. Posted May 6, 2009 at 10:11 am

    Love twilight, love the article. As a teen girl myself I and many if my friends have caught “twilight fever,” we would all like an Edward to ourselves but it insults our intelligence to assume that we don’t know fantasy from real life. No one is going to wait for him.

  48. Sara
    Posted May 12, 2009 at 3:03 am

    as everyone has a right to like whatever literature they choose to like i just could not get into the twilight series. i read the first book in all of a day and sat in awe afterward. my friend had raved on and on. i found the characters to be flat, all together TOO relatable, the out of the box take on vampires so prevalent that it was trying way too hard to gather attention and the simplicity of the writing style was just revolting. i understand it is a young adult novel, but i checked my drivers license, i’m still 20 going on 21, i believe i am a young adult… i still find nothing interesting about these books. there were no intricacies and no real sparkle. [[excuse the pun]] i don’t agree with all the extreme hate being slung across blogs on the internet, and because “it’s stupid” isn’t a reason to dislike anything, but i do agree that anne rice paints a far more advanced portrait of vampires. i have undoubtedly given twilight a chance but can see no real entertainment value in it. As well, i think that tons of teenage girls are indeed, sitting around waiting for the edward to come. but i don’t think they’re turning down men left and right, i think they’re creating a fantasy of what love really is and they will be sadly mistaken when they realize that love is something that grows over time and relationships take hard work. not everyone is each other’s life and soulmate and sometimes you get dumped. i personally feel that the idea of this “one-liner” idea of love is psychologically damaging to young girls. the first boy that comes around and says “you are my life now” is bound to get them with their legs up in the air. and it’s just so sad that this one book is the root of it. i think that it won the hearts of many for its simplistic writing style of an impossible love. it is such an easy read that one might find it hard not to finish the book. think about it, if you were starving and had to walk 5 miles to get to a feast, or 1 to get to a bowl of cereal, how far are you gonna go? it’s just so much easier to read through a mediocre book with perfect one-liners of love and say “aww, isn’t that sweet!” than to read through a classic novel, analyze and understand it.

  49. Martha
    Posted June 5, 2009 at 4:35 pm

    They are just poorly written fantasty book for teen girls, as long as you are under 21 and reading them you’re safe.

  50. James
    Posted June 6, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    I agree that it’s a matter of personal taste. I must say that your closing paragraph seemed very biased, as if those with a different opinion are somehow worse.

    I’ll give examples.

    “Some will see the dazzling plot and originality of Twilight. Others will not.”

    In this quote, you are saying that the dazzling plot and originality is there, fact, and that those that do not like the book are simply not seeing the reality.

    “For the close minded vampire fan Twilight will be an atrocity to all things vampire. But, for those that appreciate adding new dimensions to old ideas, Twilight will be seen as a sensational piece of work.”

    This is also not true, and seems like a passive attempt at attacking the credibility of critics. A person not agreeing with the new ideas on the vampire mythos presented in Twilight doesn’t make them closed minded. I’m sure that a vampire fan can appreciate the idea of adding new dimensions to old ideas. However, it may simply be the case that these particular new dimensions do not interest them. I appreciate adding new dimensions to old ideas, but I found Twilight to be poorly written; I am a fan of vampire mythos, but I personally do not agree that a vampire should sparkle in the Sun.

  51. LYAHness
    Posted June 6, 2009 at 11:42 pm

    LMAO HARRY POTTER IS THE BEST!!! :D

    “some people say that twilght is better than Harry Potter” WRONG WRONG WRONG.

  52. Stamat
    Posted June 16, 2009 at 5:20 pm

    They suck blood from their victims\\\’ wrists… come on, how emo is that. There was some reason why vampires suck blood from the neck, but I can\\\’t think of it now… it wasn\\\’t because it is sexy…

  53. Melanie
    Posted June 30, 2009 at 4:37 am

    Honestly that was a rebuttal that you could have kept to yourself. Lets start with #1: That is why she is a Mary-Sue. She has to create these tiny things like all the boys love her but she’s plain. Her really family is gone so she gets a vampire who love her in snap. And any girl can implant herself because there is no real character development.

    Number 2:Meyer herself said that Twilight was a wet dream she had, but it was really long so she decided to give the character that was her in her dream a name and someone told her that she could market it as a book. And so it was born.

    Number 3: Its a genre for a reason. Authors have established the unspoken but well known rules of the vampire genre. Some things can e changed like they don’t need human blood but synthetic (TruBlood).They can have garlic(The Argeneu Series). You can even change the way the species was formed but you can’t change the entire format of a vampire otherwise that makes it well not a vamp. Just some weirdo who like blood.

    Number 4:People know that Harry Potter and Hannah Montana are just fiction. They are fictitious enough to be believable but just outside the realm of totally believability. You don’t see HP fans going I’m going to go kill Muggles and find Voldemort. Sure people have re-enactments of some scenes of debate the perspective of facts of a particular scene but it isn’t insanity that girls feel towards Edward Cullen thinking that he will one day be real and love them.

    Number 5: I’ll be here all day if I list all the reasons why you wrong for saying that. So here is one reason :P edophile.

    Number 6: I have interviewed nearly 100 people who have read Twilight. They say that they love it because of the fact that you can almost picture yourself as Bella and dream Edward is yours.

    Number 7: Newsflash he’s a cop who isn’t all that busy. So he actually does he leave her alone ot much. In reality he would be all in he space. Keeping tabs on who she’s with. When she asks why he’ll tell her its for her safety/well being.

    Number 8: Opinion so you can have that. But I like HP better for the PLOT and the character development is spectacular. Even the minor characters are freaking incredible and hard to forget.

    Number 9: He’s a creepy stalker. Nuff said.

    Number 10: I don’t debate on sex but most vampire novels have sex.

    Number 11: The story line (to people who share a doomed love but continue anyway for the bond that links them is intense ans strong) is the cliche’. Its to overused.

    Number 12: Homo-eroticism doesn’t mean girly men. But the whole sparkling thing makes it hard to take them seriously.

    Number 13: Usually have unique names .

    Number 14: Vampires are undead. Meaning they are dead but behave as if the are alive. Therefore they would have internal systems that don’t work. So how could they reproduce. Females eggs dry up when they die. Men sperm stops producing when they die so the mechanics of it are just screwy and you’ll notice that she didn’t linger on the details.

    Number 15: The baseball thing was a horrifying and idiotic way for her to be unique. It failed miserably

    Number 16: Secondary characters should have at least some sense of belonging in the novel. In this novel they played a significant role transporting Bella to her mother yet you get nothing from them. Even in the other books where they seems to play a major role they remain underdeveloped. When Jasper recall his past he sound as if he is reading form a book.

    Number 17: No comment except to say that it is true. Except for every bumper sticker that is pro twilight there are 2-3 that are against it.

    Number 18: James is the real conflict in the novel. The rest are just like speed bumps on the way, to haphazardly tide the readers over until the main conflict.

    Number 19: Right they just bam fall in love. Teenagers don’t do this. Not this I’ll die to have you love. They may like you but not love you. The progression jumps from hatred to love to creepy obsession so quickly that there is hardly an time to register it.

    Number 20: I’ve read just about every type of vampire book thaere is. From the creepy once who just kill and are killed to the ingenious ones that put a new yet fitting twist on an old tale. Take the Argeneu Series by Lynsay Sands. She says they come from Atlantis and have nanos in their systems that burn their blood so they have to consume more but its believable. I’m an open minded person but no when it comes to crap. I don’t like things because others do. I have my own opinion and thats how it is. Yes people like it but tell why most of its fame comes from only America ? Where as writers such a J. K. Rowling, L,J. Smith and Stephen Kings have readers around the world. Is it maybe because they have talent. Or maybe its because the books don’t only appeal to one major audience. You want to read a real vampire novel ? Read the Vampire Diaries by L.J. Smith. Its new and modern but yet it adheres to the vampire.

  54. Melanie
    Posted June 30, 2009 at 4:41 am

    Honestly that was a rebuttal that you could have kept to yourself. Lets start with #1: That is why she is a Mary-Sue. She has to create these tiny things like all the boys love her but she\’s plain. Her really family is gone so she gets a vampire who love her in snap. And any girl can implant herself because there is no real character development.

    Number 2:Meyer herself said that Twilight was a wet dream she had, but it was really long so she decided to give the character that was her in her dream a name and someone told her that she could market it as a book. And so it was born.

    Number 3: Its a genre for a reason. Authors have established the unspoken but well known rules of the vampire genre. Some things can e changed like they don\’t need human blood but synthetic (TruBlood).They can have garlic(The Argeneau Series). You can even change the way the species was formed but you can\’t change the entire format of a vampire otherwise that makes it well not a vamp. Just some weirdo who like blood.

    Number 4:People know that Harry Potter and Hannah Montana are just fiction. They are fictitious enough to be believable but just outside the realm of totally believability. You don\’t see HP fans going I\’m going to go kill Muggles and find Voldemort. Sure people have re-enactments of some scenes of debate the perspective of facts of a particular scene but it isn\’t insanity that girls feel towards Edward Cullen thinking that he will one day be real and love them.

    Number 5: I\’ll be here all day if I list all the reasons why you wrong for saying that. So here is one reason: Pedophile.

    Number 6: I have interviewed nearly 100 people who have read Twilight. They say that they love it because of the fact that you can almost picture yourself as Bella and dream Edward is yours.

    Number 7: Newsflash he\’s a cop who isn\’t all that busy. So he actually does he leave her alone to much. In reality he would be all in he space. Keeping tabs on who she\’s with. When she asks why he\’ll tell her its for her safety/well being.

    Number 8: Opinion so you can have that. But I like HP better for the PLOT and the character development is spectacular. Even the minor characters are freaking incredible and hard to forget.

    Number 9: He\’s a creepy stalker. Nuff said.

    Number 10: I don\’t debate on sex but most vampire novels have sex.

    Number 11: The story line (to people who share a doomed love but continue anyway for the bond that links them is intense ans strong) is the cliche\’. Its to overused.

    Number 12: Homo-eroticism doesn\’t mean girly men. But the whole sparkling thing makes it hard to take them seriously.

    Number 13: Usually have unique names .

    Number 14: Vampires are undead. Meaning they are dead but behave as if the are alive. Therefore they would have internal systems that don\’t work. So how could they reproduce. Females eggs dry up when they die. Men sperm stops producing when they die so the mechanics of it are just screwy and you\’ll notice that she didn\’t linger on the details.

    Number 15: The baseball thing was a horrifying and idiotic way for her to be unique. It failed miserably

    Number 16: Secondary characters should have at least some sense of belonging in the novel. In this novel they played a significant role transporting Bella to her mother yet you get nothing from them. Even in the other books where they seems to play a major role they remain underdeveloped. When Jasper recall his past he sound as if he is reading form a book.

    Number 17: No comment except to say that it is true. Except for every bumper sticker that is pro twilight there are 2-3 that are against it.

    Number 18: James is the real conflict in the novel. The rest are just like speed bumps on the way, to haphazardly tide the readers over until the main conflict.

    Number 19: Right they just bam fall in love. Teenagers don\’t do this. Not this I\’ll die to have you love. They may like you but not love you. The progression jumps from hatred to love to creepy obsession so quickly that there is hardly an time to register it.

    Number 20: I\’ve read just about every type of vampire book thaere is. From the creepy once who just kill and are killed to the ingenious ones that put a new yet fitting twist on an old tale. Take the Argeneau Series by Lynsay Sands. She says they come from Atlantis and have nanos in their systems that burn their blood so they have to consume more but its believable. I\’m an open minded person but no when it comes to crap. I don\’t like things because others do. I have my own opinion and that\’s how it is. Yes people like it but tell why most of its fame comes from only America ? Where as writers such a J. K. Rowling, L,J. Smith and Stephen Kings have readers around the world. Is it maybe because they have talent. Or maybe its because the books don\’t only appeal to one major audience. You want to read a real vampire novel ? Read the Vampire Diaries by L.J. Smith. Its new and modern but yet it adheres to the vampire.

  55. Melanie
    Posted June 30, 2009 at 4:41 am

    Honestly that was a rebuttal that you could have kept to yourself. Lets start with #1: That is why she is a Mary-Sue. She has to create these tiny things like all the boys love her but she\\\’s plain. Her really family is gone so she gets a vampire who love her in snap. And any girl can implant herself because there is no real character development.

    Number 2:Meyer herself said that Twilight was a wet dream she had, but it was really long so she decided to give the character that was her in her dream a name and someone told her that she could market it as a book. And so it was born.

    Number 3: Its a genre for a reason. Authors have established the unspoken but well known rules of the vampire genre. Some things can e changed like they don\\\’t need human blood but synthetic (TruBlood).They can have garlic(The Argeneau Series). You can even change the way the species was formed but you can\\\’t change the entire format of a vampire otherwise that makes it well not a vamp. Just some weirdo who like blood.

    Number 4:People know that Harry Potter and Hannah Montana are just fiction. They are fictitious enough to be believable but just outside the realm of totally believability. You don\\\’t see HP fans going I\\\’m going to go kill Muggles and find Voldemort. Sure people have re-enactments of some scenes of debate the perspective of facts of a particular scene but it isn\\\’t insanity that girls feel towards Edward Cullen thinking that he will one day be real and love them.

    Number 5: I\\\’ll be here all day if I list all the reasons why you wrong for saying that. So here is one reason: Pedophile.

    Number 6: I have interviewed nearly 100 people who have read Twilight. They say that they love it because of the fact that you can almost picture yourself as Bella and dream Edward is yours.

    Number 7: Newsflash he\\\’s a cop who isn\\\’t all that busy. So he actually does he leave her alone to much. In reality he would be all in he space. Keeping tabs on who she\\\’s with. When she asks why he\\\’ll tell her its for her safety/well being.

    Number 8: Opinion so you can have that. But I like HP better for the PLOT and the character development is spectacular. Even the minor characters are freaking incredible and hard to forget.

    Number 9: He\\\’s a creepy stalker. Nuff said.

    Number 10: I don\\\’t debate on sex but most vampire novels have sex.

    Number 11: The story line (to people who share a doomed love but continue anyway for the bond that links them is intense ans strong) is the cliche\\\’. Its to overused.

    Number 12: Homo-eroticism doesn\\\’t mean girly men. But the whole sparkling thing makes it hard to take them seriously.

    Number 13: Usually have unique names .

    Number 14: Vampires are undead. Meaning they are dead but behave as if the are alive. Therefore they would have internal systems that don\\\’t work. So how could they reproduce. Females eggs dry up when they die. Men sperm stops producing when they die so the mechanics of it are just screwy and you\\\’ll notice that she didn\\\’t linger on the details.

    Number 15: The baseball thing was a horrifying and idiotic way for her to be unique. It failed miserably

    Number 16: Secondary characters should have at least some sense of belonging in the novel. In this novel they played a significant role transporting Bella to her mother yet you get nothing from them. Even in the other books where they seems to play a major role they remain underdeveloped. When Jasper recall his past he sound as if he is reading form a book.

    Number 17: No comment except to say that it is true. Except for every bumper sticker that is pro twilight there are 2-3 that are against it.

    Number 18: James is the real conflict in the novel. The rest are just like speed bumps on the way, to haphazardly tide the readers over until the main conflict.

    Number 19: Right they just bam fall in love. Teenagers don\\\’t do this. Not this I\\\’ll die to have you love. They may like you but not love you. The progression jumps from hatred to love to creepy obsession so quickly that there is hardly an time to register it.

    Number 20: I\\\’ve read just about every type of vampire book thaere is. From the creepy once who just kill and are killed to the ingenious ones that put a new yet fitting twist on an old tale. Take the Argeneau Series by Lynsay Sands. She says they come from Atlantis and have nanos in their systems that burn their blood so they have to consume more but its believable. I\\\’m an open minded person but no when it comes to crap. I don\\\’t like things because others do. I have my own opinion and that\\\’s how it is. Yes people like it but tell why most of its fame comes from only America ? Where as writers such a J. K. Rowling, L,J. Smith and Stephen Kings have readers around the world. Is it maybe because they have talent. Or maybe its because the books don\\\’t only appeal to one major audience. You want to read a real vampire novel ? Read the Vampire Diaries by L.J. Smith. Its new and modern but yet it adheres to the vampire.

  56. Melanie
    Posted June 30, 2009 at 4:45 am

    Honestly that was a rebuttal that you could have kept to yourself. Lets start with #1: That is why she is a Mary-Sue. She has to create these tiny things like all the boys love her but shes plain. Her really family is gone so she gets a vampire who love her in snap. And any girl can implant herself because there is no real character development.

    Number 2:Meyer herself said that Twilight was a wet dream she had, but it was really long so she decided to give the character that was her in her dream a name and someone told her that she could market it as a book. And so it was born.

    Number 3: Its a genre for a reason. Authors have established the unspoken but well known rules of the vampire genre. Some things can e changed like they dont need human blood but synthetic (TruBlood).They can have garlic(The Argeneau Series). You can even change the way the species was formed but you cant change the entire format of a vampire otherwise that makes it well not a vamp. Just some weirdo who like blood.

    Number 4:People know that Harry Potter and Hannah Montana are just fiction. They are fictitious enough to be believable but just outside the realm of totally believability. You dont see HP fans going Im going to go kill Muggles and find Voldemort. Sure people have re-enactments of some scenes of debate the perspective of facts of a particular scene but it isnt insanity that girls feel towards Edward Cullen thinking that he will one day be real and love them.

    Number 5: Ill be here all day if I list all the reasons why you wrong for saying that. So here is one reason: Pedophile.

    Number 6: I have interviewed nearly 100 people who have read Twilight. They say that they love it because of the fact that you can almost picture yourself as Bella and dream Edward is yours.

    Number 7: Newsflash hes a cop who isnt all that busy. So he actually does he leave her alone to much. In reality he would be all in he space. Keeping tabs on who shes with. When she asks why hell tell her its for her safety/well being.

    Number 8: Opinion so you can have that. But I like HP better for the PLOT and the character development is spectacular. Even the minor characters are freaking incredible and hard to forget.

    Number 9: Hes a creepy stalker. Nuff said.

    Number 10: I dont debate on sex but most vampire novels have sex.

    Number 11: The story line (to people who share a doomed love but continue anyway for the bond that links them is intense ans strong) is the cliche. Its to overused.

    Number 12: Homo-eroticism doesnt mean girly men. But the whole sparkling thing makes it hard to take them seriously.

    Number 13: Usually have unique names .

    Number 14: Vampires are undead. Meaning they are dead but behave as if the are alive. Therefore they would have internal systems that dont work. So how could they reproduce. Females eggs dry up when they die. Men sperm stops producing when they die so the mechanics of it are just screwy and youll notice that she didnt linger on the details.

    Number 15: The baseball thing was a horrifying and idiotic way for her to be unique. It failed miserably

    Number 16: Secondary characters should have at least some sense of belonging in the novel. In this novel they played a significant role transporting Bella to her mother yet you get nothing from them. Even in the other books where they seems to play a major role they remain underdeveloped. When Jasper recall his past he sound as if he is reading form a book.

    Number 17: No comment except to say that it is true. Except for every bumper sticker that is pro twilight there are 2-3 that are against it.

    Number 18: James is the real conflict in the novel. The rest are just like speed bumps on the way, to haphazardly tide the readers over until the main conflict.

    Number 19: Right they just bam fall in love. Teenagers dont do this. Not this Ill die to have you love. They may like you but not love you. The progression jumps from hatred to love to creepy obsession so quickly that there is hardly an time to register it.

    Number 20: Ive read just about every type of vampire book there is. From the creepy once who just kill and are killed to the ingenious ones that put a new yet fitting twist on an old tale. Take the Argeneau Series by Lynsay Sands. She says they come from Atlantis and have nanos in their systems that burn their blood so they have to consume more but its believable. Im an open minded person but no when it comes to crap. I dont like things because others do. I have my own opinion and thats how it is. Yes people like it but tell why most of its fame comes from only America ? Where as writers such a J. K. Rowling, L,J. Smith and Stephen Kings have readers around the world. Is it maybe because they have talent. Or maybe its because the books dont only appeal to one major audience. You want to read a real vampire novel ? Read the Vampire Diaries by L.J. Smith. Its new and modern but yet it adheres to the vampire.

  57. Melanie
    Posted June 30, 2009 at 4:49 am

    Honestly that was a rebuttal that you could have kept to yourself. Lets start with #1: That is why she is a Mary-Sue. She has to create these tiny things like all the boys love her but shes plain. Her really family is gone so she gets a vampire who love her in snap. And any girl can implant herself because there is no real character development.
    Number 2:Meyer herself said that Twilight was a wet dream she had, but it was really long so she decided to give the character that was her in her dream a name and someone told her that she could market it as a book. And so it was born.
    Number 3: Its a genre for a reason. Authors have established the unspoken but well known rules of the vampire genre. Some things can e changed like they dont need human blood but synthetic (TruBlood).They can have garlic(The Argeneau Series). You can even change the way the species was formed but you cant change the entire format of a vampire otherwise that makes it well not a vamp. Just some weirdo who like blood.
    Number 4:People know that Harry Potter and Hannah Montana are just fiction. They are fictitious enough to be believable but just outside the realm of totally believability. You dont see HP fans going Im going to go kill Muggles and find Voldemort. Sure people have re-enactments of some scenes of debate the perspective of facts of a particular scene but it isnt insanity that girls feel towards Edward Cullen thinking that he will one day be real and love them.
    Number 5: Ill be here all day if I list all the reasons why you wrong for saying that. So here is one reason: Pedophile.
    Number 6: I have interviewed nearly 100 people who have read Twilight. They say that they love it because of the fact that you can almost picture yourself as Bella and dream Edward is yours.
    Number 7: Newsflash hes a cop who isnt all that busy. So he actually does he leave her alone to much. In reality he would be all in he space. Keeping tabs on who shes with. When she asks why hell tell her its for her safety/well being.
    Number 8: Opinion so you can have that. But I like HP better for the PLOT and the character development is spectacular. Even the minor characters are freaking incredible and hard to forget.
    Number 9: Hes a creepy stalker. Nuff said.
    Number 10: I dont debate on sex but most vampire novels have sex.
    Number 11: The story line (to people who share a doomed love but continue anyway for the bond that links them is intense ans strong) is the cliche. Its to overused.
    Number 12: Homo-eroticism doesnt mean girly men. But the whole sparkling thing makes it hard to take them seriously.
    Number 13: Usually have unique names .
    Number 14: Vampires are undead. Meaning they are dead but behave as if the are alive. Therefore they would have internal systems that dont work. So how could they reproduce. Females eggs dry up when they die. Men sperm stops producing when they die so the mechanics of it are just screwy and youll notice that she didnt linger on the details.
    Number 15: The baseball thing was a horrifying and idiotic way for her to be unique. It failed miserably
    Number 16: Secondary characters should have at least some sense of belonging in the novel. In this novel they played a significant role transporting Bella to her mother yet you get nothing from them. Even in the other books where they seems to play a major role they remain underdeveloped. When Jasper recall his past he sound as if he is reading form a book.
    Number 17: No comment except to say that it is true. Except for every bumper sticker that is pro twilight there are 2-3 that are against it.
    Number 18: James is the real conflict in the novel. The rest are just like speed bumps on the way, to haphazardly tide the readers over until the main conflict.
    Number 19: Right they just bam fall in love. Teenagers dont do this. Not this Ill die to have you love. They may like you but not love you. The progression jumps from hatred to love to creepy obsession so quickly that there is hardly an time to register it.
    Number 20: Ive read just about every type of vampire book there is. From the creepy once who just kill and are killed to the ingenious ones that put a new yet fitting twist on an old tale. Take the Argeneau Series by Lynsay Sands. She says they come from Atlantis and have nanos in their systems that burn their blood so they have to consume more but its believable. Im an open minded person but no when it comes to crap. I dont like things because others do. I have my own opinion and thats how it is. Yes people like it but tell why most of its fame comes from only America ? Where as writers such a J. K. Rowling, L,J. Smith and Stephen Kings have readers around the world. Is it maybe because they have talent. Or maybe its because the books dont only appeal to one major audience. You want to read a real vampire novel ? Read the Vampire Diaries by L.J. Smith. Its new and modern but yet it adheres to the vampire.

  58. Posted July 10, 2009 at 5:22 pm

    Your counter point would have been stronger if it was an acutal counter point. You don’t explain your opinion why this series is “dazzling”, nor do you provide much depth on your stance beyond, “I disagree with everything on this list”.

    No matter how you people try to mask it, the plot is this:

    A domestic abusive (and arguably pedophillic) relationship marketed to teen girls as romantic.

    Twilight = The end of feminism, and the negative gender programming of several young generations.

    Liberate Your Mind.

  59. iHateTwilighttt
    Posted July 15, 2009 at 11:56 pm

    One reason why I hate Twilight – and its a good reason, may make the list -

    Twilight hypnotizes you into believing that its the best book series ever.

  60. Chibicow
    Posted August 18, 2009 at 7:59 am

    I made a rebuttal as well! It is here:

    http://www.twilightsucks.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7371&p=254139#p254139

    Second post.

  61. Shannon
    Posted August 18, 2009 at 1:53 pm

    1. She’s quiet, but that does not mean she’s shy and awkward. And she hasn’t seen her father in years because of her own desire to stop visiting Forks. As for the suicide thing, she only does it after Eddiekins leaves, and even then it’s a very passive way of trying to commit suicide. If she really wanted to do it, she’d get herself a good sharp razor and have at her arms.

    2. I will admit that this one doesn’t bother be as much. However, the big issue I have is that self-inserting is supposed to give the character more depth. It didn’t; Bella is still as flat and blank as ever. Which leads me to wonder what Meyer’s personality is like…

    3. I would have been able to forgive the “revamping” if Meyer had stuck to her own rules, as I see you have not commented on. She set up all these rules for her vampires, and most were rendered completely useless by the end. It’s called consistency, Meyer, and it’s what sets a novel apart from a fanfiction.

    4. Yes, but some people take this fictional fantasy too far.

    5. How is not being human a flaw? That makes no sense here in the real world. I will agree that he’s stubborn and overprotective.

    6. It’s not about whether you’re a boring character or not. It all depends on the circumstances. Twilight was not popular for Bella; it was popular for Edward. That’s who the girls care about. He’s the hot love interest they can fantasize about fulfilling their every dreams. Like housewives and romance novels. Twilight is the prelude.

    7. I will admit that, because they didn’t spend much time together when she was growing up, it’s not impossible that Charlie would feel awkward always being around her. However, he was also a cop. And as a cop, he should have noticed something was going on. Not just with his daughter, but with the Cullens as well.

    8. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If you want to like Twilight, that’s no skin off my back.

    9. Technically, there was no risk of being exposed. It’s not like anyone ever came snooping around wondering what was happening (which was very curious if you ask me) so there was no danger there. And his life? Hardly. He had the whole Cullen clan behind him when he fought James. No danger of losing when it’s seven to one.

    10. That point doesn’t really make much sense, I agree, but I understand why they included it. Part of being a vampire is lust. Lust for blood and lust for sex. That’s how it’s been for a long time. But since we’re talking about Meyer’s vampires, I’m not surprised.

    11. It’s a cliché plotline, they mean. The “girl meets supernatural boy” or vice-versa is a tale as old as tales were told. Not that it can’t still be a good storyline, but there was no effort to make this stand out besides using “original” vampires. It followed along a pretty predictable line.

    12. Because sparkling is totally manly. They have flaws and rules. They’re not supposed to walk in the sun because they’re creatures of the night. Not sure why about the garlic, exactly, but I know there’s a reason. And what’s wrong with homoeroticism?

    13. Admittedly, I like normal names too. However, Bella was just over some kind of line. Her name means beautiful. I guess she thought nobody reading this would know Latin…

    14. That was Meyer’s own rule, you know. That vampires couldn’t have children. And she broke it. Interesting!

    15. I have no opinions on this particular point.

    16. You’re wrong; every character needs development. A story isn’t just made up of the main character and a bunch of character whom we don’t care about. The supporting characters need stories and roles just as much as the main ones. It’s not fair to push them to the side in favour of complimenting Edward’s looks for the billionth time.

    17. I disagree; Twilight is popular for the circumstance. I mentioned this earlier, you might remember.

    18. He saves her with no injury, she forgets about it the second they’re alone together, James’ damage was minimal at best, and Edward should have had more difficulty than he did. Someone should have had to punch him or make him let go.

    19. I disagree about the “especially teenagers” point. Teenagers fall in “love” all the time. My best friend falls in “love” with every guy she meets. I still think most of it was infatuation, and years down the road when Bella realizes she can do better, she will leave.

    20.It is kind of odd that all of them were in their late teens when they were changed. I know not all of them were changed by Carlisle, but it just seems horribly convenient that they’re all basically the same age.

    If you’d like to continue this, you can email me at shaehime@sbcglobal.net

  62. Shay
    Posted March 24, 2010 at 8:51 am

    I really appreciate the argument you brought up. It was well thought out. And I will admit that I hated Twilight at first because it was popular, but I gave it a chance and it really is quite enjoyable. The story may be outrageously fantastical, but that’s what makes it good. The amount of fantasy is intriguing. The mix of action and romance is enough to hold attention for hours. Thank you for your point of view. It really opens eyes.

  63. nunya buisness
    Posted June 10, 2010 at 12:51 am

    There were some of the actually good points in that article that you failed to mention….. like this one:
    Bella teaches women to let the man handle everything, which pretty much is a huge step backward for women everywhere, who have fought for equality.

    no joke….. Edward handles EVERYTHING for Bella. I mean, seriously? He also pushes her around. “well he’s trying to protect her because he loves her.” blah blah blah. yeah. mhmmm sure…. My boyfriend doesn’t tell me “do this. no dont do that. do this.” does yours??? yeah, i thought not!
    Also, Jacob….. Lets talk about good ‘ol Jacob. Jacob is a nice kid. He’s smart, funny, sweet, romantic, strong, actually has personality (which edward fails to obtain.), and he is there for bella. Now Edward is…… fun— oh wait… no he’s not funny…. oh he’s swe— oh wait… no hes not sweet either…. hes a STALKER!!! and whats even worse is Bella doesnt care!!!! whoa!!! but anyway, as i was saying…. When Bella learns that she has a chance to get Edward back, she completely ditches Jacob. she just leaves him. after he risked everything for her. meanwhile, edward risked his life BUT he pushes her around, doesnt give her ANYTHING that she wants, and leaves her because he has no common scense.
    How Mrs. Meyer has phrased things about Bella wanting to get married to Edward… well, it makes it sound like she only wants to marry him because then she can become a leech, and have sex all she wants to. *Kudos to Edward for making her wait.* but you shouldnt get married because you wanna get freaky. You should get married because your in love. One last thing here’s why they love each other: Bella-
    “He’s soooo hot.”
    “he can make me prettier because i look sooo plain.”
    “He stalks me obsessivly. yay!”
    “Hes a vampire. and im just SUCH a daredevil.” hah yeah right…
    Edward-
    “She smells good.”
    “shes the only human who has actually been insane enough to talk to me so…. now i guess im in love.”
    “did i mention how good she smells?” the end.

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    Posted September 6, 2011 at 2:05 pm

    I don’t think you understand what the term Mary Sue really means.
    The facts you mentioned only make her /more/ of a mary sue.

    Also, sure some of the original reasons were stupid, but it was for comedic effect.
    I’m pretty sure the article was made for fellow Twilight haters with a sense of humor.

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